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	<title>Comments on: Wearing the Juice: A Case Study in Research Implosion</title>
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		<title>By: Good things all &#8217;round. &#8211; The Random Planet</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2245</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Good things all &#8217;round. &#8211; The Random Planet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of the doubt at first, because I&#039;m just a nice person like that and like to make up my own mind.)This article is a nice summary, I think:I’m posting on this mainly because I’m wondering why the researchers [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the doubt at first, because I&#039;m just a nice person like that and like to make up my own mind.)This article is a nice summary, I think:I’m posting on this mainly because I’m wondering why the researchers [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Learning new patterns &#171; beyondthetext</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Learning new patterns &#171; beyondthetext]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I have been following a lot of stuff that makes a meeting point of my personal and professional lives (multiples of both, of course, because I am a model poststructured subject who knows that I have more than one professional life, more than one personal life, even if it&#8217;s not all that HEALTHY). One of them was the entire clusterfuck that happened around two researchers who recently graduated from Boston University (who falsely represented themselves as still being associated with the university, which they are not) performing research with a fatally-flawed research tool and methodology on fannish communities that are, frankly, smarter than they are. You can review both a general summary of events and a summary/analysis by a non-fannish academic who plans on using this case as a part of zir Research Methods course. [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have been following a lot of stuff that makes a meeting point of my personal and professional lives (multiples of both, of course, because I am a model poststructured subject who knows that I have more than one professional life, more than one personal life, even if it&#8217;s not all that HEALTHY). One of them was the entire clusterfuck that happened around two researchers who recently graduated from Boston University (who falsely represented themselves as still being associated with the university, which they are not) performing research with a fatally-flawed research tool and methodology on fannish communities that are, frankly, smarter than they are. You can review both a general summary of events and a summary/analysis by a non-fannish academic who plans on using this case as a part of zir Research Methods course. [...] </p>
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		<title>By: true, but not for you &#171; Letters from Titan</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[true, but not for you &#171; Letters from Titan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in itself) all of the blurbs come from men. Sadly, in the realm of science, even (or particularly) science poorly engaged in, this is hardly [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in itself) all of the blurbs come from men. Sadly, in the realm of science, even (or particularly) science poorly engaged in, this is hardly [...] </p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N Pepperell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey there - Apologies for the delay responding - limited time online at the moment.  There&#039;s a longer promotional bit on the book &lt;a href=&quot;http://booksellers.penguin.com/static/pdf/duttongotham-summer11.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, amongst other places.  It doesn&#039;t sound like the argument has become more complex with time - e.g.:

&lt;blockquote&gt;• Men and women have hardwired sexual cues analogous to our hardwired tastes—there are sexual versions of sweet, sour, salty, savory, and bitter.

• Unlike our shared sense of taste, men and women possess different sexual cues. The male sexual brain resembles a reckless hunter, while the female sexual brain resembles a cautious detective agency.

• Men form their sexual interests during adolescence and rarely change. Women’s sexual interests are plastic and change frequently.

• The male sexual brain is an “or gate”: A single stimulus can arouse it. The female sexual brain is an “and gate”: It requires many simultaneous stimuli to arouse it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll poke around and see if it&#039;s possible to obtain a review copy - once the book is out, this generally isn&#039;t difficult.  In advance, I&#039;m less sure...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there &#8211; Apologies for the delay responding &#8211; limited time online at the moment.  There&#8217;s a longer promotional bit on the book <a href="http://booksellers.penguin.com/static/pdf/duttongotham-summer11.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>, amongst other places.  It doesn&#8217;t sound like the argument has become more complex with time &#8211; e.g.:</p>
<blockquote><p>• Men and women have hardwired sexual cues analogous to our hardwired tastes—there are sexual versions of sweet, sour, salty, savory, and bitter.</p>
<p>• Unlike our shared sense of taste, men and women possess different sexual cues. The male sexual brain resembles a reckless hunter, while the female sexual brain resembles a cautious detective agency.</p>
<p>• Men form their sexual interests during adolescence and rarely change. Women’s sexual interests are plastic and change frequently.</p>
<p>• The male sexual brain is an “or gate”: A single stimulus can arouse it. The female sexual brain is an “and gate”: It requires many simultaneous stimuli to arouse it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll poke around and see if it&#8217;s possible to obtain a review copy &#8211; once the book is out, this generally isn&#8217;t difficult.  In advance, I&#8217;m less sure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: msilverstar</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[msilverstar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might be available for review - there&#039;s one reference (Acrobat file): &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agenciariff.com.br/clientes/catalogos/Dutton/Dutton,%20Gotham,%20Hudson%20Street%20Press%20-%20Frankfurt%202010%20Hot%20List.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dutton 2010 Hot List.pdf&lt;/a&gt;.  It would be nice to have a response before it&#039;s even out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be available for review &#8211; there&#8217;s one reference (Acrobat file): <a href="http://www.agenciariff.com.br/clientes/catalogos/Dutton/Dutton,%20Gotham,%20Hudson%20Street%20Press%20-%20Frankfurt%202010%20Hot%20List.pdf" rel="nofollow">Dutton 2010 Hot List.pdf</a>.  It would be nice to have a response before it&#8217;s even out.</p>
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		<title>By: romaine24</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[romaine24]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 23:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello again,

I haven&#039;t seen anything about its availability beforehand.  However, it&#039;s being listed under Psychology/Human Sexuality so it might be possible for an academic (you) to get a preview.

I found it interesting that Ogi Ogas was not the lead author as he was the front person involved with those in fandom.  

Fandom is actually a very friendly place, but as its not well known in the general public, folks get their fur up when trying to be labelled or grouped by traditional society means. It will be interesting to see what they have to say and I do wonder if they think we&#039;ve forgotten about them...we haven&#039;t.

Good luck and I&#039;m so glad to hear that you did use this debacle as a learning point.  I would have enjoyed it in my Experimental Design courses (way back when).

Congratulations on your new job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anything about its availability beforehand.  However, it&#8217;s being listed under Psychology/Human Sexuality so it might be possible for an academic (you) to get a preview.</p>
<p>I found it interesting that Ogi Ogas was not the lead author as he was the front person involved with those in fandom.  </p>
<p>Fandom is actually a very friendly place, but as its not well known in the general public, folks get their fur up when trying to be labelled or grouped by traditional society means. It will be interesting to see what they have to say and I do wonder if they think we&#8217;ve forgotten about them&#8230;we haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Good luck and I&#8217;m so glad to hear that you did use this debacle as a learning point.  I would have enjoyed it in my Experimental Design courses (way back when).</p>
<p>Congratulations on your new job.</p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N Pepperell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi romaine24 - I&#039;ve used it as an example in teaching my research courses this past year - and had been looking periodically to see whether the book were actually going to be published, but hadn&#039;t seen this.  I had originally thought about putting together an article on the issue as a case study in what can happen when researchers wander unaware into online (or, for that matter, any...) communities, but have been caught up in other unexpected obligations arising from a new job - it&#039;s also something I&#039;d want to approach quite carefully, since a lot of people felt understandably burned by lending their trust to researchers over this...  I was a bit worried about coming across as one more person trying to mine the experiences of the people involved for my own extrinsic reasons...  But this really was an amazing debacle, and it really should be written up...  Is the book available for review purposes yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi romaine24 &#8211; I&#8217;ve used it as an example in teaching my research courses this past year &#8211; and had been looking periodically to see whether the book were actually going to be published, but hadn&#8217;t seen this.  I had originally thought about putting together an article on the issue as a case study in what can happen when researchers wander unaware into online (or, for that matter, any&#8230;) communities, but have been caught up in other unexpected obligations arising from a new job &#8211; it&#8217;s also something I&#8217;d want to approach quite carefully, since a lot of people felt understandably burned by lending their trust to researchers over this&#8230;  I was a bit worried about coming across as one more person trying to mine the experiences of the people involved for my own extrinsic reasons&#8230;  But this really was an amazing debacle, and it really should be written up&#8230;  Is the book available for review purposes yet?</p>
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		<title>By: romaine24</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[romaine24]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if you decided to use this case as an example or not but I&#039;d thought I&#039;d let you know the book will be released on April 28, 2011.

http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1286845706&amp;sr=1-1

A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World&#039;s Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire
Sai Gaddam (Author), Ogi Ogas (Author)

We will all be interested in what their definition of Experiment means. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if you decided to use this case as an example or not but I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d let you know the book will be released on April 28, 2011.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1286845706&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Wicked-Thoughts-Largest-Experiment/dp/0525952098/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1286845706&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
<p>A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World&#8217;s Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire<br />
Sai Gaddam (Author), Ogi Ogas (Author)</p>
<p>We will all be interested in what their definition of Experiment means. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Genreville &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Not to Engage/Enrage Fandom in One Simple Lesson</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Genreville &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Not to Engage/Enrage Fandom in One Simple Lesson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ever do what these two hapless &quot;researchers&quot; did.&#160; Fannish flame fests are relatively easy for the clueless to trigger.&#160; Which isn&#8217;t [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ever do what these two hapless &quot;researchers&quot; did.&nbsp; Fannish flame fests are relatively easy for the clueless to trigger.&nbsp; Which isn&#8217;t [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Surveyfail: No One Expects the Fannish Inquisition &#171; Tara on the 505</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2009/09/02/wearing-the-juice-a-case-study-in-research-implosion/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surveyfail: No One Expects the Fannish Inquisition &#171; Tara on the 505]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Non-fannish academics becoming aware of the issue as it was happening [...] ]]></description>
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