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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2008/03/21/fragmentary-thoughts-on-anger/#comment-1751</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that&#039;s exactly it. 

I think you&#039;re right to connect this to fetishization in the marxian sense, although my friend&#039;s tradition is more symbolic interactionismy. The idea of contingent enactment through performance makes the connection. The point is that an idea becomes &#039;real&#039; in treating it as such. In this sense, identity is something like a script. That&#039;s not very human, as both Marx and Goffman might say.

The call (for selves or others) to recover from identity (by changing script) is implicit in a whole range of critical positions. Feminists call on men to recover from normative masculinity, for example, and Beauvoir (like Nietzsche before her) thought women needed to recover from femininity. It gets especially tricky when the identity in question, like being &quot;Black,&quot; in the U.S. context, is being asserted as a proud rejection of ascribed stigma. This can create important leverage to challenge and overthrow oppression. But the identity accordingly contains oppression and conflict as essential components, so &#039;recovering&#039; from it would seem to be critical for the longer-term recovery from oppression; the alternative is to &quot;reinforce an essentialized understanding of themselves as fundamentally disordered.”

And in your own work, I imagine there are a variety of identity-laden histories it would be helpful if suburbanites recovered from.

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s exactly it. </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right to connect this to fetishization in the marxian sense, although my friend&#8217;s tradition is more symbolic interactionismy. The idea of contingent enactment through performance makes the connection. The point is that an idea becomes &#8216;real&#8217; in treating it as such. In this sense, identity is something like a script. That&#8217;s not very human, as both Marx and Goffman might say.</p>
<p>The call (for selves or others) to recover from identity (by changing script) is implicit in a whole range of critical positions. Feminists call on men to recover from normative masculinity, for example, and Beauvoir (like Nietzsche before her) thought women needed to recover from femininity. It gets especially tricky when the identity in question, like being &#8220;Black,&#8221; in the U.S. context, is being asserted as a proud rejection of ascribed stigma. This can create important leverage to challenge and overthrow oppression. But the identity accordingly contains oppression and conflict as essential components, so &#8216;recovering&#8217; from it would seem to be critical for the longer-term recovery from oppression; the alternative is to &#8220;reinforce an essentialized understanding of themselves as fundamentally disordered.”</p>
<p>And in your own work, I imagine there are a variety of identity-laden histories it would be helpful if suburbanites recovered from.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2008/03/21/fragmentary-thoughts-on-anger/#comment-1750</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl - Many thanks for this - I will look it up, and I am interested in the topic.  I suspect I agree with what sounds to me like the thrust of what you are saying - that the narrativisation of trauma as trauma &lt;em&gt;enacts&lt;/em&gt; something as traumatic?  There was a cross-blog discussion on psychoanalytic theory some time back that discussed this issue - this is always one of these lingering issues that I mean to do much more work on, but haven&#039;t quite unearthed the space to do it.  There&#039;s something in the way this issue is often discussed, that is reminiscent of a &quot;fetish&quot; of a more Marxian kind - where something is taken to be intrinsically or essentially present, when that thing is actually enacted in more contingent ways.  But I may be misinterpreting, or not making any sense, in this abbreviated form...  But thank you for the reference - that will be very interesting to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl &#8211; Many thanks for this &#8211; I will look it up, and I am interested in the topic.  I suspect I agree with what sounds to me like the thrust of what you are saying &#8211; that the narrativisation of trauma as trauma <em>enacts</em> something as traumatic?  There was a cross-blog discussion on psychoanalytic theory some time back that discussed this issue &#8211; this is always one of these lingering issues that I mean to do much more work on, but haven&#8217;t quite unearthed the space to do it.  There&#8217;s something in the way this issue is often discussed, that is reminiscent of a &#8220;fetish&#8221; of a more Marxian kind &#8211; where something is taken to be intrinsically or essentially present, when that thing is actually enacted in more contingent ways.  But I may be misinterpreting, or not making any sense, in this abbreviated form&#8230;  But thank you for the reference &#8211; that will be very interesting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2008/03/21/fragmentary-thoughts-on-anger/#comment-1749</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[N., based on this post I think you might be interested in the work of a friend and former student of mine, J. Howard. The work is on the social psychology of recovery from disorders, although we have talked quite a bit about how the analysis applies to all sorts of ways that identity-laden relationships to the past (e.g. race, gender) have to be interpretively transformed in order to &quot;recover from recovery.&quot;

Here&#039;s a quote from the project description:

&quot;[T]he social- psychological process of identifying with a disorder label tends to, over time, create a self-perpetuating dynamic that increases the salience of the disorder identity by narrowing the complexity of one&#039;s self-concept and discouraging an orientation toward change (i.e., recovery). That is, as individuals construct autobiographical narratives around the disorder label, their understandings of their current experiences, interpretations of the past, and expectations for the future increasingly reinforce an essentialized understanding of themselves as fundamentally disordered.&quot;

Obviously anger is mixed in with this process and must be transformed for the &quot;13th step&quot; to occur.

I&#039;m a professional historian, but I&#039;ve been known to remark that anyone who feels traumatized by a history from before their birth should sue their historian. What hurts and angers us is our knowledge and interpretation of the past in the present, not the past itself. The language of &#039;scarring&#039; is diagnostic of this sort of interpretation, but it is not essential. (Lest I be misunderstood, I am not myself unfamiliar with unpleasant history, but I do find it doesn&#039;t need to haunt me.) Of course, the therapeutics of history look different than &#039;the truth&#039;, but what can you do. My touchstone for this, by the way, is Watzlawick, Weakland and Frisch, _Change: Principles of Problem Formation and Problem Resolution_, which is an essentially Wittgensteinian analysis of problems as games and solutions as different games.

Anyway if my friend&#039;s approach seems interesting to you, in print see Howard, J. 2006. &quot;Expecting and Accepting: The Temporal Ambiguity of Recovery Identities.&quot; Social Psychology Quarterly 69(4):307-324.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N., based on this post I think you might be interested in the work of a friend and former student of mine, J. Howard. The work is on the social psychology of recovery from disorders, although we have talked quite a bit about how the analysis applies to all sorts of ways that identity-laden relationships to the past (e.g. race, gender) have to be interpretively transformed in order to &#8220;recover from recovery.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from the project description:</p>
<p>&#8220;[T]he social- psychological process of identifying with a disorder label tends to, over time, create a self-perpetuating dynamic that increases the salience of the disorder identity by narrowing the complexity of one&#8217;s self-concept and discouraging an orientation toward change (i.e., recovery). That is, as individuals construct autobiographical narratives around the disorder label, their understandings of their current experiences, interpretations of the past, and expectations for the future increasingly reinforce an essentialized understanding of themselves as fundamentally disordered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously anger is mixed in with this process and must be transformed for the &#8220;13th step&#8221; to occur.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a professional historian, but I&#8217;ve been known to remark that anyone who feels traumatized by a history from before their birth should sue their historian. What hurts and angers us is our knowledge and interpretation of the past in the present, not the past itself. The language of &#8216;scarring&#8217; is diagnostic of this sort of interpretation, but it is not essential. (Lest I be misunderstood, I am not myself unfamiliar with unpleasant history, but I do find it doesn&#8217;t need to haunt me.) Of course, the therapeutics of history look different than &#8216;the truth&#8217;, but what can you do. My touchstone for this, by the way, is Watzlawick, Weakland and Frisch, _Change: Principles of Problem Formation and Problem Resolution_, which is an essentially Wittgensteinian analysis of problems as games and solutions as different games.</p>
<p>Anyway if my friend&#8217;s approach seems interesting to you, in print see Howard, J. 2006. &#8220;Expecting and Accepting: The Temporal Ambiguity of Recovery Identities.&#8221; Social Psychology Quarterly 69(4):307-324.</p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2008/03/21/fragmentary-thoughts-on-anger/#comment-1748</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to take so long to respond (although you may have some sense of why :-P).  Your final point - on the issue of the treatment of suffering once historical/social/political circumstances have changed - is I think quite interesting - although my first thought, to be honest, was to remember all the various circumstances where a discourse will &lt;em&gt;claim&lt;/em&gt; that an injustice has been altered, when... maybe not so much :-)  This has the same individualising effect - or, at least, it&#039;s a public political gamble with the intent to reposition suffering as individual - but without the merits of a collective resolution of an injustice, even into the future...

Off to bed...  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to take so long to respond (although you may have some sense of why <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> ).  Your final point &#8211; on the issue of the treatment of suffering once historical/social/political circumstances have changed &#8211; is I think quite interesting &#8211; although my first thought, to be honest, was to remember all the various circumstances where a discourse will <em>claim</em> that an injustice has been altered, when&#8230; maybe not so much <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   This has the same individualising effect &#8211; or, at least, it&#8217;s a public political gamble with the intent to reposition suffering as individual &#8211; but without the merits of a collective resolution of an injustice, even into the future&#8230;</p>
<p>Off to bed&#8230;  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: WildlyParenthetical</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like this nuance with regard to anger. I tend to find that politics of both &#039;sides&#039;—that is, both kinda governmental and activist—get too simplistic on this front. There&#039;s something interesting, I think, about the way that the utopic urge can lead to anger, and to an anger that&#039;s often not so very productive, precisely because it refuses the fundamental acceptance you&#039;re marking here. That acceptance is often linked &lt;i&gt;automatically&lt;/i&gt; with passivity, I suppose because it appears to some to be accepting the &lt;i&gt;terms&lt;/i&gt; of the debate (where I would see it as precisely challenging those terms, just... in a circumscribed or (ooh!) immanent way, rather than through an &#039;I haz troof&#039; fundamentalism?). Sorry, this is very confused now that I come to write it out. But I think there&#039;s something key about the distinction between a &lt;i&gt;critical&lt;/i&gt; approach to politics, and a &lt;i&gt;utopic&lt;/i&gt; one, which plays through in the shape of the anger produced: the utopic gets not only angry but kind of resistant to renegotiating with the actual, whilst the critical gets angry but permits the kind of negotiation with what already is... (and really, it would probably help if my comments didn&#039;t just repeat your post, wouldn&#039;t it? ;-P)

I mentioned this to you backchannels, but wanted to put something here about it, because I think it&#039;s interesting. Sara Ahmed talks about anger a bit, and the political significance of happiness (her next book). She marks that often, particularly in relation to multiculturalism in the UK, the anger of immigrants is treated as not a response to the problems of multiculturalism, and its injustices, but  as &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; bar to a happy, multicultural society. This often gets configured as it being the angry immigrant&#039;s responsibility to get over, to leave behind their anger in order that &#039;we can move into the future &lt;i&gt;together&lt;/i&gt;,&#039; as these things are so often expressed. But this bizarre sense of futurity that is grounded on and, indeed, &lt;i&gt;constituted by&lt;/i&gt;, the refusal to acknowledge suffering... well, it seems to be motivated by a real inability to imagine a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; future, complex, variegated and open to (re)negotiation, rather than singular, completed, and unified... (and they say phallocentrism&#039;s dead ;-))

Not to be too self-obsessed, but there&#039;s an interesting point here in relation to suffering, I think, which is that it is seen as bad form, politically, to keep insisting on one&#039;s suffering, particularly, but not only, after the injustice that caused it has been altered. Once the cause of the suffering is alleviated, it seems, the suffering is reinscribed as &lt;i&gt;individual&lt;/i&gt; and as no longer a collective or communal responsibility. This fascinates me, because in some sense it assumes that present justice erases past injustice, and that the future is bought off the &lt;i&gt;repudiation&lt;/i&gt; of the past, and of, in fact, the flow of that past into the future; that is, of &lt;i&gt;history&lt;/i&gt;... Anyway, random thoughts (and excessive italicisation. I think it&#039;s a thesis-related issue... ;-P).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this nuance with regard to anger. I tend to find that politics of both &#8216;sides&#8217;—that is, both kinda governmental and activist—get too simplistic on this front. There&#8217;s something interesting, I think, about the way that the utopic urge can lead to anger, and to an anger that&#8217;s often not so very productive, precisely because it refuses the fundamental acceptance you&#8217;re marking here. That acceptance is often linked <i>automatically</i> with passivity, I suppose because it appears to some to be accepting the <i>terms</i> of the debate (where I would see it as precisely challenging those terms, just&#8230; in a circumscribed or (ooh!) immanent way, rather than through an &#8216;I haz troof&#8217; fundamentalism?). Sorry, this is very confused now that I come to write it out. But I think there&#8217;s something key about the distinction between a <i>critical</i> approach to politics, and a <i>utopic</i> one, which plays through in the shape of the anger produced: the utopic gets not only angry but kind of resistant to renegotiating with the actual, whilst the critical gets angry but permits the kind of negotiation with what already is&#8230; (and really, it would probably help if my comments didn&#8217;t just repeat your post, wouldn&#8217;t it? ;-P)</p>
<p>I mentioned this to you backchannels, but wanted to put something here about it, because I think it&#8217;s interesting. Sara Ahmed talks about anger a bit, and the political significance of happiness (her next book). She marks that often, particularly in relation to multiculturalism in the UK, the anger of immigrants is treated as not a response to the problems of multiculturalism, and its injustices, but  as <i>the</i> bar to a happy, multicultural society. This often gets configured as it being the angry immigrant&#8217;s responsibility to get over, to leave behind their anger in order that &#8216;we can move into the future <i>together</i>,&#8217; as these things are so often expressed. But this bizarre sense of futurity that is grounded on and, indeed, <i>constituted by</i>, the refusal to acknowledge suffering&#8230; well, it seems to be motivated by a real inability to imagine a <i>real</i> future, complex, variegated and open to (re)negotiation, rather than singular, completed, and unified&#8230; (and they say phallocentrism&#8217;s dead <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Not to be too self-obsessed, but there&#8217;s an interesting point here in relation to suffering, I think, which is that it is seen as bad form, politically, to keep insisting on one&#8217;s suffering, particularly, but not only, after the injustice that caused it has been altered. Once the cause of the suffering is alleviated, it seems, the suffering is reinscribed as <i>individual</i> and as no longer a collective or communal responsibility. This fascinates me, because in some sense it assumes that present justice erases past injustice, and that the future is bought off the <i>repudiation</i> of the past, and of, in fact, the flow of that past into the future; that is, of <i>history</i>&#8230; Anyway, random thoughts (and excessive italicisation. I think it&#8217;s a thesis-related issue&#8230; ;-P).</p>
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