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	<title>Comments on: Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 1:  Human Labour in the Abstract</title>
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		<title>By: Roughtheory.org &#187; Modernities Conference Talk</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/10/03/capital_1e/#comment-1192</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I’ve posted the conference talk to the Modernities: Radicalism, Reflexivity, Realities conference below the fold [...] ]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mike Beggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The unspoken (until later) condition of abstract labour is competition between producers. It&#039;s been  a while since I&#039;ve read these bits so please let me know if something in the text you are reading so closely contradicts this. But this is how I interpret the statements that value is not created in exchange, but exchange is necessary for value relations. cf &quot;It is only by being exchanged that the products of labour acquire, as values, one uniform social status, distinct from their varied forms of existence as objects of utility.&quot;

Exchange proves not only that the commodity has a use for somebody, but also that another producer is not offering an identical commodity more cheaply. In any particular instance of sale, this does not prove all the labour producing the commodity was socially necessary - the producer may be inefficient relative to the average - but over time inefficient producers either become more efficient or are driven out of the market for their commodity. It is only because of this process of general commodity exchange (leaving &#039;capitalism&#039; out of it for a second), which presupposes a social force driving labour processes to be as efficient as is materially possible, that we can talk about &#039;abstract labour&#039;. Even then, &#039;abstract labour&#039; cannot be easily located at the level of the individual because labour processes are collective and it is only the collective product that is subject to testing by exchange on the market.

The interesting question to me is how the discussion of capitalist competition in Vol 3 supercedes the discussion of value in Vol 1, and what this means for the concept of abstract labour. In Vol 1 Marx only seems to discuss competition between producers making the same kind of commodity, when clearly the concept of &#039;abstract labour&#039; requires competition between capitals in all different industries, where the average rate of profit is the enforcer, rather than the going price in any particular industry.

This still means pressure to make labour processes as efficient as possible, but also to make use of capital as efficiently as possible (the value quantity of capital invested, not in the narrow sense of &#039;means of production&#039;). Also it really requires some quantitative consideration of demand (as opposed to whether something has a &#039;use value&#039; or not). Marx doesn&#039;t consider either of these properly until Vol 3, and then he doesn&#039;t explicitly revisit the concept of &#039;abstract labour&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unspoken (until later) condition of abstract labour is competition between producers. It&#8217;s been  a while since I&#8217;ve read these bits so please let me know if something in the text you are reading so closely contradicts this. But this is how I interpret the statements that value is not created in exchange, but exchange is necessary for value relations. cf &#8220;It is only by being exchanged that the products of labour acquire, as values, one uniform social status, distinct from their varied forms of existence as objects of utility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exchange proves not only that the commodity has a use for somebody, but also that another producer is not offering an identical commodity more cheaply. In any particular instance of sale, this does not prove all the labour producing the commodity was socially necessary &#8211; the producer may be inefficient relative to the average &#8211; but over time inefficient producers either become more efficient or are driven out of the market for their commodity. It is only because of this process of general commodity exchange (leaving &#8216;capitalism&#8217; out of it for a second), which presupposes a social force driving labour processes to be as efficient as is materially possible, that we can talk about &#8216;abstract labour&#8217;. Even then, &#8216;abstract labour&#8217; cannot be easily located at the level of the individual because labour processes are collective and it is only the collective product that is subject to testing by exchange on the market.</p>
<p>The interesting question to me is how the discussion of capitalist competition in Vol 3 supercedes the discussion of value in Vol 1, and what this means for the concept of abstract labour. In Vol 1 Marx only seems to discuss competition between producers making the same kind of commodity, when clearly the concept of &#8216;abstract labour&#8217; requires competition between capitals in all different industries, where the average rate of profit is the enforcer, rather than the going price in any particular industry.</p>
<p>This still means pressure to make labour processes as efficient as possible, but also to make use of capital as efficiently as possible (the value quantity of capital invested, not in the narrow sense of &#8216;means of production&#8217;). Also it really requires some quantitative consideration of demand (as opposed to whether something has a &#8216;use value&#8217; or not). Marx doesn&#8217;t consider either of these properly until Vol 3, and then he doesn&#8217;t explicitly revisit the concept of &#8216;abstract labour&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roughtheory.org &#187; Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 1: An Aside on the Category of Capital</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/10/03/capital_1e/#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roughtheory.org &#187; Capital, Volume 1, Chapter 1: An Aside on the Category of Capital]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] just in case it has escaped attention, the first chapter of &lt;em&gt;Capital&lt;/em&gt; - although I obviously think it deserves great attention - does not actually deploy &lt;em&gt;the category of capital&lt;/em&gt; (which, in the scheme of things, one would imagine would be a fairly important category to analyse...).  Instead, the phenomenological perspective it analyses remains within commodity production and exchange, which means, among other things, that the concept of the fetish &lt;em&gt;as discussed here&lt;/em&gt; is therefore primarily directed at the &quot;Cartesian&quot; forms of perception that are expressed in this dimension of collective experience. [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just in case it has escaped attention, the first chapter of <em>Capital</em> &#8211; although I obviously think it deserves great attention &#8211; does not actually deploy <em>the category of capital</em> (which, in the scheme of things, one would imagine would be a fairly important category to analyse&#8230;).  Instead, the phenomenological perspective it analyses remains within commodity production and exchange, which means, among other things, that the concept of the fetish <em>as discussed here</em> is therefore primarily directed at the &#8220;Cartesian&#8221; forms of perception that are expressed in this dimension of collective experience. [...] </p>
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