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		<title>By: Ryan/Aless</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/09/22/when-i-upgrade-i-want-to-be/#comment-1149</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, yes, I do like online interactions. I think you&#039;re right to say that they&#039;re just as &quot;real&quot; as physical interactions. Although, of course, as you say, we ought to try to avoid a &quot;flattening of experience.&quot; Each, I think, has its own attractions. If only our physical interactions could be as satisfying and compatible as ones we could make online (provided you know where online to look) . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, yes, I do like online interactions. I think you&#8217;re right to say that they&#8217;re just as &#8220;real&#8221; as physical interactions. Although, of course, as you say, we ought to try to avoid a &#8220;flattening of experience.&#8221; Each, I think, has its own attractions. If only our physical interactions could be as satisfying and compatible as ones we could make online (provided you know where online to look) . . .</p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/09/22/when-i-upgrade-i-want-to-be/#comment-1148</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked that post, and kept meaning to respond - but, in a sense, it seemed to say everything it needed to say, and I found myself with nothing to add.  All sorts of contacts involve their different potentials - things are both lost and gained through online interaction.  Physical contacts aren&#039;t - to me at least - more &quot;actual&quot; than online contacts.  Which doesn&#039;t mean that focussing over-much on any one medium of interaction wouldn&#039;t involve a certain flattening of experience.

There was a period when I had an in-person community where I could find similar things to what I now tend to find online - but that kind of thing is always very accidental, dependent on a situation very difficult to create intentionally.  And there are certainly individual friends with whom I can have intense intellectual exchanges in person (although even those friendships, these days, tend to spill over into supplemental online interactions...).  

So I&#039;m not saying anything absolute about the privileging of a particular form of interaction - other than that I don&#039;t share what is often a reflex assumption (which I&#039;m not at all suggesting that you have) that online interactions are somehow less &quot;real&quot; than other forms of engagement:  they are their own &quot;real&quot; thing and, like everything else that&#039;s real, they are ambivalent and close certain things off even as they open other possibilities...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked that post, and kept meaning to respond &#8211; but, in a sense, it seemed to say everything it needed to say, and I found myself with nothing to add.  All sorts of contacts involve their different potentials &#8211; things are both lost and gained through online interaction.  Physical contacts aren&#8217;t &#8211; to me at least &#8211; more &#8220;actual&#8221; than online contacts.  Which doesn&#8217;t mean that focussing over-much on any one medium of interaction wouldn&#8217;t involve a certain flattening of experience.</p>
<p>There was a period when I had an in-person community where I could find similar things to what I now tend to find online &#8211; but that kind of thing is always very accidental, dependent on a situation very difficult to create intentionally.  And there are certainly individual friends with whom I can have intense intellectual exchanges in person (although even those friendships, these days, tend to spill over into supplemental online interactions&#8230;).  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not saying anything absolute about the privileging of a particular form of interaction &#8211; other than that I don&#8217;t share what is often a reflex assumption (which I&#8217;m not at all suggesting that you have) that online interactions are somehow less &#8220;real&#8221; than other forms of engagement:  they are their own &#8220;real&#8221; thing and, like everything else that&#8217;s real, they are ambivalent and close certain things off even as they open other possibilities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan/Aless</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/09/22/when-i-upgrade-i-want-to-be/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan/Aless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I have like the same &quot;predicament.&quot; Maybe Rousseau was right to say, &quot;The more I know about natural man, the less like natural man I am . . .&quot; (Although, what is natural man?) Does this mean that we have become such &quot;docile subjects,&quot; that we&#039;ve been seduced by our work so much that it&#039;s pretty much all that we do? And is that bad? I don&#039;t know. Sometimes I feel so disconnected from the world (as I tried to articulate in my post on Becoming-Lone-Wolf), yet it IS hard to find people who&#039;d like to talk theory, philo, and politics with me. That is why, you&#039;re right, the Internet and the online community is wonderful. But I don&#039;t know. Perhaps actual, physical contacts are still different?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have like the same &#8220;predicament.&#8221; Maybe Rousseau was right to say, &#8220;The more I know about natural man, the less like natural man I am . . .&#8221; (Although, what is natural man?) Does this mean that we have become such &#8220;docile subjects,&#8221; that we&#8217;ve been seduced by our work so much that it&#8217;s pretty much all that we do? And is that bad? I don&#8217;t know. Sometimes I feel so disconnected from the world (as I tried to articulate in my post on Becoming-Lone-Wolf), yet it IS hard to find people who&#8217;d like to talk theory, philo, and politics with me. That is why, you&#8217;re right, the Internet and the online community is wonderful. But I don&#8217;t know. Perhaps actual, physical contacts are still different?</p>
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		<title>By: N Pepperell</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/09/22/when-i-upgrade-i-want-to-be/#comment-1146</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Ryan/Aless!  Good to see you back around these parts!  

You comment reminds me - I&#039;m already becoming anxious about a conference I&#039;m about to go to, where I&#039;ll be staying with a couple of colleagues.  I don&#039;t know that the folks who invited me to stay with them fully understand that I&#039;m something like the world&#039;s &lt;em&gt;worst&lt;/em&gt; company, unless someone wants to talk about theory sort of all the time (or finds it particularly entertaining to watch me read...  ;-P)...  This sort of thing tends to get disguised in my everyday, as I usually have professional reasons to talk to people about the things I enjoy talking about anyway, and people don&#039;t need to know that this is what I do all the time...

My best crowd has still always been online - both because it&#039;s a self-selecting group, and because it&#039;s easier for other people to tune me out if they get bored...  ;-P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan/Aless!  Good to see you back around these parts!  </p>
<p>You comment reminds me &#8211; I&#8217;m already becoming anxious about a conference I&#8217;m about to go to, where I&#8217;ll be staying with a couple of colleagues.  I don&#8217;t know that the folks who invited me to stay with them fully understand that I&#8217;m something like the world&#8217;s <em>worst</em> company, unless someone wants to talk about theory sort of all the time (or finds it particularly entertaining to watch me read&#8230;  ;-P)&#8230;  This sort of thing tends to get disguised in my everyday, as I usually have professional reasons to talk to people about the things I enjoy talking about anyway, and people don&#8217;t need to know that this is what I do all the time&#8230;</p>
<p>My best crowd has still always been online &#8211; both because it&#8217;s a self-selecting group, and because it&#8217;s easier for other people to tune me out if they get bored&#8230;  ;-P</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan/Aless</title>
		<link>http://roughtheory.org/2007/09/22/when-i-upgrade-i-want-to-be/#comment-1145</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ouch, indeed :-) I guess this is the balance we (esp. scholars) all grapple with. We definitely like to do our thinking, and sometimes that can be a solitary activity, esp. when most social interactions we find are quite, well, co-opted, too pop-culturish (&quot;Let&#039;s go to a bar!&quot; &quot;Let&#039;s go get drunk!&quot; etc.). But we can&#039;t just work (even if revolutionary!) all the time. We do need some social interactions. But where to find the &quot;right crowd&quot;? . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, indeed <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I guess this is the balance we (esp. scholars) all grapple with. We definitely like to do our thinking, and sometimes that can be a solitary activity, esp. when most social interactions we find are quite, well, co-opted, too pop-culturish (&#8220;Let&#8217;s go to a bar!&#8221; &#8220;Let&#8217;s go get drunk!&#8221; etc.). But we can&#8217;t just work (even if revolutionary!) all the time. We do need some social interactions. But where to find the &#8220;right crowd&#8221;? . . .</p>
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